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Ilhan Omar says it's 'exciting' her controversial views on Israel are sparking debate [R]

3 months, 1 week agobejammin075 posted submission on politics.
Feb. 11, 2019
3 months, 1 week agobejammin075 posted comment on politics.
Feb. 11, 2019

Former President Jimmy Carter actually wrote a book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid

The Lobby USA (2018) - The film exposes the efforts of Israel and its lobbyists to spy on, smear and intimidate US citizens who support Palestinian human rights, especially BDS – the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement [48:10] [Pt1] [R]

6 months, 2 weeks agoworking_class_shill posted submission on Documentaries.
Nov. 7, 2018
6 months, 2 weeks agoworking_class_shill posted comment on Documentaries.
Nov. 7, 2018

That's part of the idea. Make the waters so muddled that it's too difficult to cut through the good-faith replies from the bad-faith replies. Make it so that you eventually just lose interest since it's not you being directly effected!

Here are some good debates to get your started:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ux4JU_sbB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6To-o-aiRg

I'd also recommend reading President Jimmy Carter's Peace Not Apartheid (amazon link not necessary, use your public library!). It's a decent, short primer to the conflict.

[off-topic] Could anyone recommend any thorough, un-biased sources that'd let me learn about the israel/palestine situation (from before the creation of israel through the present day is my ultimate goal) [R]

10 months, 2 weeks agoCool_Bastard posted submission on samharris.
July 7, 2018

Hi guys&gals :)

As much as I want to rail about the debates (oh, I will be soon, need to re-listen another time ;D ), something that came up (briefly) in the debates and that's come-up IRL lately for me, is the whole "Israel/Palestine Situation"....I grew up unaware of it, I transferred high-schools though and when I got to the new one (which was incredibly high% jewish), I was of the idea that the israelis were 100.0% victims in the situation. As I got older and learned more, I found there was plenty of guilt on both sides of the conflict....but individual actions from either side aren't letting me see the whole picture the way I'd like to, it's a "chicken/egg" thing in that regardless of which side someone's on, they can make (however accurate) the argument that "they're just defending themselves/their lives/their property/their future", and while I'm personally unable to suss out what the "reality" of the situation is, I've no doubt that there are un-biased sources on this subject, that there are histories I could read that are as objective as one can make any historical account, but I cannot locate them and am too-easily confused by biases from both sides when researching this myself so I'm asking help from you guys here- I know this may seem an odd sub to choose to make this request in, however it's the only one I know of that I think I have any realistic shot of getting something un-biased (yes, I'm banking on integrity, based on people being fans of Harris- I don't suspect this will lead me too-far astray!)

Thanks for any sources you can refer me to, while my ideal would be url's / something I can read online, I would get a book if it was heads & shoulders above something anything I could read from my screen, so even particular authors/historians would be useful recommendations, again thanks for anything that'll help me form an opinion that's truly my own in regards to this subject :)

Disabled Palestinian activist shot dead by Israeli troops in Jerusalem protest [R]

1 year, 5 months agoNuke_It posted submission on samharris.
Dec. 16, 2017
1 year, 5 months agoNuke_It posted comment on samharris.
Dec. 17, 2017

Yeah, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, and Desmond Tutu don't know anything about apartheid. /sarcasm

There is no apartheid in Israel, but there is apartheid in the Israeli occupied West Bank.

Hezbollah fighters to remain in Syria until final victory achieved, Nasrallah says [R]

2 years, 6 months agogonzolegend posted submission on syriancivilwar.
Oct. 23, 2016
2 years, 6 months agogonzolegend posted on syriancivilwar.
Oct. 23, 2016

It is a good question.

Some (well mainly Israelis) say he lives and works most of the time in a series of highly sophistcated bunkers (probably under Dahiyeh neighbourhood in Beirut).

Dahiyeh was one of the main Hezbollah nerve centres during the Israeli occupation. For that it received Homs-like levels of destruction. Rumour has it when the war ended and the neighbourhood was being rebuilt, the time was suitable for massive construction of interconnected bunkers. All the above ground construction helped mask any bunker construction from spy satiellites.

Of course he could just as easily live above ground in Dahiyeh. The security around the neighbourhood was always intense and foreign intelligence mainly steers clear.

An interesting story for you. 2008, Ex-President Jimmy Carter arranged a meeting with Ayatollah Fadlallah (considered the spiritual head of Hezbollah, though he has no official ties with the group). The meeting was scheduled for Dahiyeh.

> According to a member of the Carter entourage, when the US Embassy was informed by the Carter Center that President Carter would hold discussions in Dahiyeh, the first reaction was “Oh no he won’t, who the hell does Carter think he is?”

> “Has he (Carter) lost his mind? Does Carter think the Embassy is going to send US Marines into Dahiyeh to protect him? His entourage will pass by the remains of the US Marine Barracks for Christ’s sake!”

Hezbollah were also reportedly worried. For one, they would have a Secret Service detail driving into their main neighbourhood. Another concern for Hezbollah (who grew up worrying about Mossad) was that Israel could use the visit to arrange some type of false flag while Carter was on Hezbollah ground. Some extracts from the meeting:

> As Hezbollah security forces opened the gates to the Fadlallah compound, for the arriving US motorcade, for the 5 p.m. meeting on June 9, residents of Dayiyeh were surprised because the Hezbollah area is not accustomed to Lebanese officials coming to their areas...

> Pulling up to the security entrance outside Fadlallah’s offices, all concerned were polite, if a bit tense. A US Secret Service agent got out of the lead car and informed his opposite numbers: “the President will exit the car in five minutes”.... > > There was mutual curiosity as the two security forces respectfully eyed each other alongside the row of Embassy cars. The Americans were taciturn as were Hezbollah personnel. One of the Shia interpreters later reported: “One of our guys commented to a colleague: “They sure are dressed well”, referring to the Americans pressed suits and fine ties.” ...

> Hezbollah security allowed the Americans to keep their weapons, did not search them and ignored the alarms that sounded as the secret service passed through metal detectors...

Meeting apparently went well. Also rumoured that some people around Carter met Nasrallah on a follow-up visit. Carter has always been looked on favourably by Hezbollah including following Carter's book in 2007 Palestine Peace not Apartheid.

Obama: US must criticize Israel if it is to defend it [R]

3 years, 12 months agoMay 21, 2015
3 years, 12 months agovaguerant108 posted on worldnews.
May 21, 2015

Here's Jimmy Carter on it

>The book is about Palestine, the occupied territories, and not about Israel. Forced segregation in the West Bank and terrible oppression of the Palestinians create a situation accurately described by the word. I made it plain in the text that this abuse is not based on racism, but on the desire of a minority of Israelis to confiscate and colonize Palestinian land. This violates the basic humanitarian premises on which the nation of Israel was founded. My surprise is that most critics of the book have ignored the facts about Palestinian persecution and its proposals for future peace and resorted to personal attacks on the author. No one could visit the occupied territories and deny that the book is accurate.

Though he's wrong about one thing, which is that Israelis are indeed racist as shit.

ELI5: Why is the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank not considered akin to apartheid? [R]

4 years, 2 months agoMarch 17, 2015

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4 years, 2 months agolaw-talkin-guy posted on explainlikeimfive.
March 17, 2015

Former President Jimmy Carter wrote a book he called Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid. So the comparison is clearly made, and quite publicly so, even in the US.

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4 years, 5 months agoPearlbuck posted submission on AskReddit.
Dec. 17, 2014
4 years, 4 months agoPearlbuck posted on AskReddit.
Jan. 11, 2015

Ah, yes, classic tactics--call anyone who points out the truth about Zionist control of U.S. foreign policy insane, a neo-Nazi and a conspiracy theorist. Problem is, hasbarah (that's what you are, whether you are paid or volunteer) fewer and fewer people are falling for that fallacious b.s. anymore. That's why you're throwing such a tantrum--this is the death throws of the censorship you defend. Mearsheimer and Walt couldn't even get their paper published in a major U.S. outlet. Things have changed a LOT since then. You're losing.

Anyway who knows anything about U.S. politics knows that a candidate stands virtually zero chance of getting elected unless he kisses the Zionist Lobby's ring. There are occasional miracles of zero consequence, like Ron Paul, but exceptions prove the rule. AIPAC brags about destroying U.S. candidates who don't toe the line! And you can't deny it!

I'm not delusional--if you didn't think there was a chance other people might be reading this, you wouldn't be going to such embarrassing lengths to distract front he truths I'm laying down, DAWG.

Here's that great article by former CIA officer Phil Giraldi. And make sure to google "hasbara." It's stunning.

http://www.crescent-online.net/2014/06/how-the-israel-lobby-works-philip-giraldi-4504-articles.html

And here is the wonderful book by the wonderful Jimmy Carter. It's a shame Zionists sued him over this book, but what are you gonna do?

http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Peace-Apartheid-Jimmy-Carter/dp/0743285034/ref=sr12?ie=UTF8&qid=1421022795&sr=8-2&keywords=israel+apartheid+state

And yes, I am absolutely sure that Gen. Petratraeus' woes are partially the result of his comments that enraged Zionists. This is by no means an insane POV. It's a totally rational interpretation. Your ranting and raving and "Neo-Nazi" accusations won't change that fact.

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/when-former-cia-chief-david-petraeus-enraged-israel-lobby

And here is a great video from that famous neo-Nazi, Ralph Nader:

https://zionismkills.wordpress.com/tag/ralph-nader/

John Kerry told the Trilateral Commission that Israel risks becoming "an apartheid state" if it doesn't make peace [R]

5 years agoInfiniteRelease posted submission on worldnews.
April 27, 2014
5 years agoInfiniteRelease posted on worldnews.
April 27, 2014

"Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," authored by Jimmy Carter, published in 2007.

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5 years, 1 month agoApril 3, 2014
5 years, 1 month agosamfaina posted on worldnews.
April 3, 2014

Apartheid is a discriminatory legal separation. In the US an example of apartheid was the famous blacks-only, whites-only water fountains in some parts of the US South. The term is famous from the racist system used by Israel's old ally, the country Israel worked with to develop nuclear weapons, the apartheid regime of South Africa.

The US president that negotiated the Israeli-Egyptian peace deal, Jimmy Carter, wrote a book on the topic: Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid.

In one interview Carter described one aspect of Israeli apartheid this way: "When Israel does occupy this territory deep within the West Bank, and connects the 200-or-so settlements with each other, with a road, and then prohibits the Palestinians from using that road, or in many cases even crossing the road, this perpetrates even worse instances of apartness, or apartheid, than we witnessed even in South Africa."

Censorship: Mainstream media won't cover former President Carter [R]

5 years, 10 months agoDrumlin posted submission on politics.
July 19, 2013
5 years, 10 months agoDrumlin posted on politics.
July 19, 2013

Jimmy Carter supports Palestine.

Is it any wonder that the media completely ignores him?