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what to get my christian mother for her birthday? [R]4 months, 1 week agoILoveToVoidAWarranty posted submission on Advice.
July 26, 2019
I'm not a christian but my mom is and i'm not what to get her for her birthday. I found a bible-themed coloring book but i cant think of anything else. Advice?
I hope this is fake [R]4 months, 2 weeks agoBABYFETUSGOBBLER posted submission on Tinder.
July 22, 2019
July 23, 2019
Secular ideologies can be just as authoritarian as religious ideologies. re: communist china, the state is their "religion" and it will crush any potential challenger, including atheists. It is not a fair representation of a potential secular society. Secular humanism would be a far more ideal "state philosophy."
I'm not as well versed in Mughals or House of Baghdad. The Renaissance was inspired by humanism and was a break from the theocracy that came before, and further distanced itself with the enlightenment.
Books that have changed your life completely [R]7 months agoPr4zz4 posted submission on occult.
May 7, 2019
May 7, 2019
Don’t let man fool you. - God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446697966/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_XFI0CbJAEBKG4
The Anti-Buddha - Siddhartha: A Novel https://www.amazon.com/dp/0553208845/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_nGI0Cb6NA5W1Y
Anti-Theists, what are your arguments? [R]8 months agoMyDogFanny posted submission on atheism.
April 6, 2019
To me, anti-theism seems a lot like the hate we get from many people when they find out that we are atheists. If many religious people hate Atheism and Atheists hate theism, it seems like the Crusades all over again but with words and less killing. Also, if we are accepting to their religion and don't just call them stupid, we seem like the 'good guys' and that could earn us some respect.
I am not saying fundamentalism or extremism is good; that is a threat to everyone and their rights. I am referring to regular, everyday religious folk who
Plus, a few Commandments (no killing, stealing, cheating, lying, etc.) when followed correctly with common sense (no raping kids, LGBT people are not the devil, abortion is a woman's choice) could act as a moral compass in people that would not have one without religion. While some people do not follow these, there are people that do use the commandments as a way to tell right from wrong. If religion (mostly Catholicism) changed their stance those few issues, it could help with morals in many people today.
EDIT: I do not mean that the claims of any religion are true. I simply mean that in modern times, you occasionally come across someone who needs some powerful organization in order to follow rules; i.e. they would not form morals for themselves. Everyone else could do just fine with or without religion.
April 6, 2019
God Is Not Great. How Religion Poisons Everything. by Christopher Hitchens.
He said it best.
What are some of your (or ones that you’ve heard) harshest critiques of Christianity? [R]9 months agoAmbitious_Dust posted submission on atheism.
March 7, 2019
This may not be the right place to post this but, I would love to know.
March 7, 2019
For me, it's the cruelty of preying on weak, frightened, and gullible people to scam them out of their time, money, affections, and potential, all for the sake of the clergy to maintain their privileges.
‘Father, please stop’: Parents horrified after priest used teen’s funeral to condemn suicide [R]11 months, 3 weeks agoMyDogFanny posted submission on atheism.
Dec. 16, 2018
Dec. 16, 2018
God is Not Great. How Religion Poisons Everything. Christopher Hitchens.
The foundation of all religion is the controlling of people's lives. The Catholic church has lost the ability to rape children and cover up the crimes with immpunity. The Catholic church is fighting the good fight to continue to discriminate against homosexuals. The Catholic church is fighting the good fight to continue to discriminate against women.
Father Don certainly has felt this loss of power and all his frustrations may have come to the forefront at this funeral. His behavior certainly reflects this sentiment. Father Don's intent was to punish and control the family and friends of the dead teenager, not to provide comfort and compassion. IMHO
Jewish leaders tell Trump he's not welcome in Pittsburgh until he denounces white nationalism [R]1 year, 1 month agoSmoothAsBabysButt posted submission on worldpolitics.
Oct. 29, 2018
Oct. 29, 2018
Former ‘Miss Baghdad’ Shot Dead as She Drove Through Iraqi Capital in Latest of Series of Attacks on Women [R]1 year, 2 months agonot-so-useful-idiot posted submission on worldnews.
Sept. 29, 2018
Sept. 29, 2018
I would argue that any benefit brought by religion would be amplified if obtained elsewhere, and without these negative extremism consequences. If you're interested, Hitchens wrote a fascinating book called god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, which is what my previous comment was referencing.
What's wrong with naturalism? [R]1 year, 5 months agoJune 19, 2018
June 21, 2018
>I don’t see any reason to assume studying brain physiology will be the only method
"God did it" is not an honest possibility in the race.
> which is informative for ethics
We know ancient mythology fall short of being beneficial. God is Not Great. How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens is a good read.
> some scientific discovery will show free will doesn’t exist.
It may be that emergent properties like free will and consciousness will never be understood from a biological bases. If this is the case and we never know why we experience these things, it still is not evidence for a god.
> I don’t see any reason to assume talking about free will and consciousness isn’t well defined
This is not an assumption. It's a fact. LOL Just like the word "god".
> But why not instead assume that scientific language is inadequate because it is inappropriate language for the task?
Scientific methodology may be inadequate for explaining some of our human experiences. I think I made this point. Again, god is not an answer for questions we do not have the answers to. Saying "god did it" adds nothing to our understanding. We don't know why lighting occurs, for example. What does "god did it" add to our understanding?
> It assumes without argument scientific language is the one which is actually correct
No, this is your claim and the claim of theists to create a straw man argument, not mine and not that of scientists. Science is the best method we have of understanding the physical/material world.
Lose Your Faith, Lose Your Friends [R]1 year, 7 months agoMyDogFanny posted submission on atheism.
April 15, 2018
April 15, 2018
Struggling with leaving my faith... looking for uplifting/helpful books to read. [R]1 year, 9 months agoherbiems89_2 posted submission on atheism.
Feb. 22, 2018
I am in the process of leaving the LDS church, and it has really done a number on my brain. I'm really struggling with leaving. I am trying to find peace and the ability to make sense of the world. I don't believe in the church, and I don't believe that there is any other universal truth/deity/religion. I know I am an atheist deep down, but I am so conditioned to be terrified that it is scary for me right now. I am constantly feeling like I'm sinning or turning my back on... I'm not sure what (God? My friends? My church?) I just am really struggling.
Does anyone know of any books that help explain atheism... like, explain how we can be reasonably sure there isn't a god, that religion sucks, that the LDS church was a harmful organization, that religion is harmful? Basically, I'm looking for some measure of comfort/peace/knowledge/reassurance. Do I make any sense?
Also, if anyone has any advice for my journey out of religion, I would be grateful. I AM subscribed to r/exmormon, I AM seeing a therapist, and I AM supported by a very atheist husband. Basically, I guess I just need support from someone who can relate. My husband has been an atheist forever, and didn't have the kind of relationship with religion that I have had, so it's hard for him to understand. I don't have any friends right now in real life that aren't mormon. I've been a "perfect Mormon girl" to this point, so I am super fucked up in my brain. I need help unfucking my mind and being at peace with turning my back on the church.
EDIT: I can't believe I just used the "F" word! Yikes!
Feb. 23, 2018
Not a book but a very inspirational video, have a look:
I watch it about twice a year just for the goosebumps :)
Thoughts? Email from TBM GF's childhood mentor. We met with him to discuss my questions- didn't go well. [R]1 year, 10 months agoaPinkFloyd posted submission on exmormon.
Jan. 9, 2018
Jan. 9, 2018
Reading Christopher Hitchens book "god is not Great" made me realize that in this commandment, god lumps wives in with other property a man might have. I never noticed that before, but this is just more evidence that this book was authored by man, not a loving father in heaven.
I don't want another church [R]1 year, 11 months ago-g-u-n-s-l-i-n-g-e-r posted submission on exmormon.
Dec. 17, 2017
My eyes are open. I see opinions attributed to God, damaging moral teachings, and wanting money.
I wanted to want another church. I live around some great people, but religion feels like poison now.
Church of the Latter Day Saints @ 17th and Vine [R]2 years, 1 month agoredwoodser posted submission on philadelphia.
Nov. 3, 2017
Nov. 3, 2017
Thanks. The article was written by Christopher Hitchens, the author of God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. He was while alive one of my favorite people on the planet. His politics at the end were not as progressive as they had been for many decades, but his genius for taking down everything religious was imho, the best the world had ever seen in thousands of years. In fact I saw him in person at the Library, just down the street from the new Mormon buildings on Vine Street, not long before he died. I wept like a child when he was gone. My hero.
I'm starting to let go of religion and I feel bewildered [R]2 years, 7 months agoHaiKarate posted submission on exchristian.
April 20, 2017
I found this community quite recently and reading the experiences of people here has made me feel a lot braver in pursuing my doubts about religion. I guess I'm leaning towards agnostic right now but I'm honestly just bewildered by what a big change this is going to be. For the first time in my life, I'm entertaining the idea that my thoughts are my own - there is no God looking over my shoulder and into my mind and there are zero consequences for 'bad thoughts'. This is a pretty huge step for me.
I think, deep down, I've been questioning what I was raised to believe (and have enthusiastically accepted my whole life) for about a year now but was too afraid to admit it to myself. It only really struck me in a coherent way about four months ago when my cousin was telling the family about some so-called miracle and the power of God's love for us. I listened to the absurd story of this 'miracle' and just thought 'holy shit, I don't believe a word of this'. And the unravelling began there.
I had been conditioned to believe that I was 'unqualified' to reason on my own. I'm just a 21 year old with weak faith, how can I be arrogant enough to act like I knew better than people who studied the scriptures, people who were older and smarter than me? The religion is so old - who am I to start reasoning and questioning on my own?
It seems like every facet of fundamentalism is designed to keep you trapped in it. Every time I questioned my beliefs, I felt terrified. This is a slippery slope, I told myself, the more I open my mind to questions, the weaker my faith will become.
I was desperate to feel some connection or love for God. But I couldn't. And I hated myself and tormented myself for this. Even now I've opened the floodgates to doubt, I think what's keeping me from really denouncing religion is the fear in the back of my mind that I will go to hell for this, and I'm so much safer just turning back to what I know and trying to redeem myself.
But I can't turn a blind eye to the blatant lack of logic in religion anymore. Or act like carrying the burden of it is my choice and something I love. I think I'm getting closer to being ready to let go.
This is such a shock to the system and I have so many thoughts and feelings I'm really struggling to put into words.
April 21, 2017
You've heard everything that the religious have to say. And, like most Christians, you've heard the critics being grossly misrepresented through apologetics.
I suggest that you start to study what the critics of Christianity have to say in their own words.
Here's a few to get you started:
God is not Great - I especially love the Audible version, as read by the author
Jesus, Interrupted - Written by one of the leading NT scholars in the world
Why Evolution is True - Because if you've grown up in a crazy Christian household, you probably never really had the chance to learn about evolution
As they say, knowledge is power. Understanding why Christianity is wrong will help greatly with purging it from your mind.
Help me change my view [R]2 years, 7 months agoApril 15, 2017
IsItBullshit: God [R]2 years, 9 months agobyikes posted submission on IsItBullshit.
March 5, 2017
March 5, 2017
Yes, worse problem on this planet.
read: 'God is not Great'.
My boyfriend asked "why can't you let people just believe what they want?" How do I explain? [R]2 years, 9 months agoMarch 1, 2017
March 1, 2017
Believing what they want is not the problem.
The problem is the harm religion does when it gains power over a populous. You might explain how religion is harming him.
Without religion opposing medical science (evolution, stem cell research, millions of children taught science is wrong and prayer is the only way a person can be healed, cutting funding to research as a general practice) he might be living to 200 in the body of a 30 year old, cancer might be a bit of medical history right now. Climate change might not be looming over us with possible extinction - a real health care crisis if there ever was one.
Without the wars religion has caused recently coupled with the enormous cost of religion itself we probably would not have a debt or a cast of 900,000 injured service personnel, some of which will need medical care for decades.
Highly religious areas typically have higher rates of social ills like crime, abortion, drug use, teen pregnancy, divorce, poverty, obesity and rape. All these social ills degrade the world he lives in. It harms the people he holds dear even if not in a direct way he can see.
Slavery was championed and justified by the religious long before some turned against their religion and opposed it. Jim Crow was held in place almost entirely by religious groups like the KKK that burned crosses before their victims. He is living with that legacy. When he fears to go into the black areas of his town, he living the legacy of religion. Slavery is written into the holy scriptures of Christianity, Islam and Judaism.
God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything by Christopher Hitchens. https://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446697966
TIL During WWII, L Ron Hubbard once led a 68 hour battle against two Japanese submarines which he claimed "definitely sunk, beyond doubt". An analysis later concluded that there were never any submarines in the area. [R]2 years, 9 months agomullen490 posted submission on todayilearned.
Feb. 7, 2017
How do you move past the "angry atheist" phase? [R]2 years, 11 months agoEvilStevilTheKenevil posted submission on atheism.
Dec. 25, 2016
I've never been religious, even though from pretty early on I had an unfavorable view of organized religion. About 3 months ago my SO and I broke up after I realized just how much christianity has distorted her values on some very important subjects. Ever since I have absolutely despised religion, christianity specifically, to an irrational level.
I'm very aware of the angry atheist phase I'm currently in and I'm starting to get sick of it. I can't enjoy music I previously enjoyed if it has any vague religious themes, and any christian symbol seems to trigger an irrational anger. How do I make it stop? How do I move on? I don't want to be apathetic to religion altogether, I just want to get my emotions under control, and not be so damn petty.
Edit: Thanks everyone for your replies!
Dec. 25, 2016
By lapsing into denial about the very real and present harm religion has caused, is causing, and will continue to cause unless we stop it.
I recommend you read a little book titled God Is Not Great By Christopher Hitchens.
Do not be fooled. There is no such thing as a benign delusion.
New Texas law requiring aborted and miscarried fetuses to be buried or cremated [R]3 years agohappyhooker485 posted submission on childfree.
Nov. 29, 2016
Nov. 29, 2016
Here is an intro from the author, he also reads the book on Audible,
Wiki/FAQ Discussion Questions - Round 2 [R]3 years, 2 months agozeroJive posted submission on exchristian.
Oct. 1, 2016
We, your humble moderator team, have decided to begin putting together a Wiki/FAQ for this Sub-Reddit. We would like it to be informative and helpful, covering a wide range of topics from simple terminology to answers for commonly asked questions.
And that's where YOU come in! We would like you, our wonderful community here at /r/exchristian, to be involved in the creation of the Wiki and have a say in what we post there.
Each week we'll post a few questions that need answering for the FAQ, and we'd love to get your answers and opinions. Once we have a few weeks-worth of questions answered, we'll begin compiling the answers into the first Wiki page and get this site looking even more professional. Feel free to answer any, all, or none of the questions. You can even suggest other questions for upcoming weeks. Any and all comments are welcome.
This week's questions are focused on people who are having doubts and questions about leaving religion:
I'm a Christian (or follower of another religion). Can I still post here?
I'm a Christian but I'm having doubts. Where do I go from here? Should I talk to my pastor/family/significant-other about my doubts?
Do you have any website links or books I can read to learn more about atheism or deconversion from Christianity?
Oct. 1, 2016
An Interesting SETI Candidate in Hercules [R]3 years, 3 months agole_wein posted submission on aliens.
Aug. 28, 2016
Aug. 29, 2016
this is just one of them.
Ex-Christian new to reddit. [R]3 years, 4 months agozeroJive posted submission on exchristian.
July 31, 2016
This is my first post on reddit. I'm sorry for the awkward introduction and all. I'm an ex-Christian who's been through a lot of ups and downs in coming to the conclusion that I no longer want to be a part of the church.
I'm going to try to keep this as short as possible, so I apologize if it's too long. It all started when I attended college. My ideas about science and how the world works were completely shattered, and I couldn't find myself going back to my old ways of thinking. Still, there were times that I would read the Bible, go to church, and tell others that I was a Christian.
Last year, I came out as an atheist to all of my friends, my mom, and husband. My friends and mom were okay with it, but it caused a strain on my marriage. After going through a year of fighting within our marriage, I finally came to the conclusion that Satan was trying to destroy our marriage and that I needed to go back to church.
My husband and I sought out churches and decided to go to this big church down the street. We liked it because it had a lot of ways for members to get involved, was modern, and had "sound teaching". However, over the course of about seven months, we started to see things for what they were. The church was all about image and money (as most churches are), and we quit going. I started attending college again to finish up my bachelor's degree. I was once again in a secular environment that favored science over religion. In addition to that, I was taking classes that focused on social issues and equal rights. I couldn't bring myself to be a part of something that is used to discriminate and deny the rights of others.
So, here I am again. I don't know what to call myself. Deep down I'm an atheist and I know it. I can't tell my husband this. He would get upset. He thinks Christianity is everything even though he doesn't attend church, read the Bible, and listens to/watches things that most Christians would label as "unChrist-like". I don't want my husband to abandon his faith, because as I just stated, he's not even the type of Christian that is strict about his faith so it doesn't really interfere in our daily lives. I just wish I had someone to talk to about my thoughts sometimes.
Anyway, I apologize if this was all over the place. I just wanted to get that out of my system. Has anyone else been on a roller coaster ride in their journey? If so, how did you overcome? Is anyone still married to or dating a Christian? Thank you for taking the time to read.
July 31, 2016
I went through almost the exact same thing. After leaving our main church, my wife and I stopped going all together. Several years later, after we moved because of jobs, we started going again. Needless to say, that didn't last long.
My wife and I both come from very strong Christian backgrounds; my wife's father was a Southern-Baptist minister for decades, and my dad went to Dallas Theological Seminary and taught church classes most of his life. So let's just say that leaving wasn't an easy thing.
However, my own search led me to realize the truth. Since my wife and I are very close, I talked with her about these things but was very careful about what I said. I'm still careful. I approach the discussions from the standpoint of "searching for answers" rather than declaring that I've already decided.
My mantra over the last few years has been "If it were possible to know the truth, and one of the possibilities was that God didn't exist, would you really want to know?" Well, my answer is yes. I don't want to be a blind-follower Christian. If God is real, then I want to know for sure!
I recommend approaching it like that. It let's your spouse see that you are truly searching for answers. The truth is all we really want, and we can't use a 3000 year-old book to do it. We need real answers, not mythology.
Be sure to talk about it a lot, and be open minded to your spouse's point of view. Let them know you still care for them deeply.
This sub-reddit has been so helpful and caring, so good job starting here. Also grab some books or find some web-sites that discus these things. Here are a few I recommend:
http://www.patheos.com/ (you'll find many opinions here. great site)
What are your favorite "pull back the curtain" books? [R]3 years, 4 months agokingakrasia posted submission on suggestmeabook.
July 18, 2016
Whether fictional, historical fiction, nonfictional, what book(s) made made your worldview come crashing down? What's made you cynical, pessimistic, or jaded? What's thrown you into an existential funk?
July 18, 2016
I found Christopher Hitchens' God is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything a good introduction to one of the largest "curtains" on Earth, a belief in God.
Hitchens is very intelligent and articulate, world-famous for debating and his writings.
What are some good sources to cite on why religion is detrimental to society? [R]3 years, 5 months agoastroNerf posted submission on atheism.
June 20, 2016
Do any other atheists find Hitchens and Dawkins irrational? [R]3 years, 6 months agoTrottingTortoise posted submission on DebateReligion.
May 8, 2016
I am an ex-religious agnostic atheist, and while I admittedly first formed my opinions of Hitchens and Dawkins as a theist, seeing the world through atheist coloured glasses has done nothing to diminish my view of them.
I find their interviews and speeches to be aimed primarily at people who already agree with them, as a sort of rallying cry to those that wish for their preconceived notions to be reinforced.
In a way of parable, I see them as the mirror image of the religious leaders that I saw flaws with (as I think it is easier for atheists to see flaws in religious leaders). I remember breaking rabbis down into two categories, those that were intellectually open and able to discuss issues, and those that weren't. The ones that weren't always followed the same pattern. They gave unrealistic explanations for how atheists believed, for how they thought. They explained evolution in a way that was uneducated and sounded absurd. They gave arguements against atheism that could be knocked down extremely simply. The most prominent thing they did was be openly offensive to those that did not share their views (calling other beliefs silly, and denegrating the intelligence of those who had them). This gave them a nice selection bias for their followers, where the people who continued to look up to them were the type to fanatically follow, and not question their weak arguments.
Watching interviews and reading the books of Dawkins and Hitchens, I see the same patterns, the same lack of knowledge (or caring) about what theists believe, the same easy to knock down arguments, and the same openly offensive and denegrating approach that would instantly make someone who doesn't share their views put down the book right away.
I wonder if I am alone in these views.
May 8, 2016
Retired lawyer sues Israeli airline after she was asked to move seat after ultra-Orthodox Jew objected to sitting next to a woman on El Al flight [R]3 years, 8 months agoMDev01 posted submission on atheism.
April 1, 2016
Croatia: Priest destroys 2000 years old Roman sundial by drilling a hole in to it to mount a cross [R]3 years, 8 months agofaykin posted submission on atheism.
March 30, 2016
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When the best school you ever went to is behind bars [R]3 years, 8 months agoredwoodser posted submission on philadelphia.
March 15, 2016
March 15, 2016
total bullshit. feed it to another sap, i'm not the fucking one. and i did not intend on starting an argument with you, and will not be having one. good day.
TIL I am an author on as many scientific papers as Sam Harris is [R]3 years, 8 months agoScientismForNone posted submission on badphilosophy.
March 11, 2016
Pope Francis' top advisers acknowledged that the Catholic Church "has made enormous mistakes" in allowing thousands of children to be raped and molested by priests over centuries [R]3 years, 9 months ago3459830-34857938 posted submission on worldnews.
Feb. 28, 2016
Feb. 29, 2016
Yeah, this is a throwaway, sorry bout that. I don't really reddit much.
I know that it's not an absolute expectation, especially with Catholic hospitals in the USA (the sick and amoral part is that "just let her suffer" is even on the menu at all, where it would never be in a proper healthcare context).
It's flexible because Catholicism is a minority religion, so they're always going to be more inclined to align with popular ethics instead of authoritarianism, in places where they're a numerical minority.
I'm well aware of the general Catholic status quo of disagreement from the flock, even to the point of anti-clericalism amongst Catholic believers, which I find a stunning failure of logic, really. I've known people who fully disagreed with 100% of Church policy and teaching, and STILL raised their kids in the Church. They think it's graceful and community oriented. I think it's sad.
The Catholic Church in particular has always vacillated between letting people be human and reining them in to obedient behavior. It's always interesting to see where the bureaucracy sort of randomly draws its lines. Carlo Ginzburg, an Italian historian who's incidentally quite popular with the Vatican and gained privileged access to otherwise-sealed Inquisition records, demonstrates this very vividly in The Cheese and the Worms, and in The Night Battles.
But yeah, this isn't going to go any further. Glad you like my brain, but really, these ideas are old hat. Christopher Hitchens already went over most of this at length. so you'd do better reading him and Ginzburg (who is a Catholic, and not at all opposed to the Church) than talking to me.
Looking for a good book on atheism... [R]3 years, 11 months agoJan. 3, 2016
Jan. 3, 2016
I'm an atheist who is engaged to a very religious girl (non-denominational Christian) who is against* abortion and contraceptives. Ask me anything about the relationship or her religious views. [R]3 years, 11 months agosaatana posted submission on casualiama.
Dec. 29, 2015
Hey guys. To start, she opposes abortion and the use of contraceptives to prevent pregnancy, but she does not support making either of those things illegal as she generally supports the separation of church and state. She figures God doesn't need help from mankind in enforcing his laws (if you want to call them laws).
So anyway, my girlfriend is a Christian who bases her religious beliefs from her own interpretation of the Bible and isn't affiliated with any denomination of Christianity. Then there's me who doesn't believe in any kind of God whatsoever. I'll try my best to answer any questions about my girlfriend's religious views and explain them, but keep in mind they aren't my views so any debate about them I can give probably won't be that good.
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Dec. 24, 2015
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Sept. 23, 2015
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- Scientist: millions of years, evolution created a great variety of life on earth
- Religion: God did it
- Religion (toned down): God guided evolution
- Human rights
- Humanist: we should treat all people equally
- Religion: god hates fags
- Religion (toned down): Hate the sin, love the sinner
Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage [R]4 years, 5 months agoza3keaxi posted submission on news.
June 26, 2015
June 26, 2015
Religious belief is the belief in the reality of the mythological, supernatural, or spiritual aspects of a religion. "Love they neighbor" is not a religious belief. A religious belief is that "I should only treat other people well because God told me to", because it could lead to similarly-insane logic being applied to an unethical position (e.g. "I hate gay people and/or their actions because God told me to").
To be clear, all religious beliefs are evil. This sounds blunt, but I am not alone or extreme in believing this is the case.
Supreme Court legalizes gay marriage [R]4 years, 5 months agoza3keaxi posted submission on news.
June 26, 2015
June 26, 2015
Religious belief is the belief in the reality of the mythological, supernatural, or spiritual aspects of a religion. All religious beliefs are evil. This sounds blunt, but I am not alone or extreme in believing this is the case.
Equality and the golden rule aren't religious beliefs. Those are simply good practices that a religion has suggested its followers live by (i.e. religious practices). There are plenty of good life tips that are passed down as part of a religion (e.g. meditation, mindfulness, etc.). But all of those can be followed with zero religious influence. To the extent that they are advised to be followed because a past holy person or deity advised it... well, that becomes a dangerous path. But a practice that is based on ethics or science (not deities or spirituality) is not inherently religious.
Preparing long term and questions [R]4 years, 6 months agoFadedGenes posted submission on exjw.
May 8, 2015
It's been a while since I made I my first post and I thank all those who commented and gave me good ideas on how to deal with my parents. Mentally I am very much out but I am still physically in. Realistically I will be in for next two years or at leat until I find my own place to live. I just want ask two question before I conclude this post.
- What is probably the biggest piece of evidence or fact that proves that this religon isn't true?
- How do some of who are also still deal with going to the meetings and dealing with friends and family?
May 8, 2015
The answers to your questions could fill books, and they have. Generally, these books debunk religion and theism in general, but they are potently applicable to the JWs. I would start with these:
God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, by Christopher Hitchens
The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins
Combatting Cult Mind Control, by Steven Hassan
History of God, by Karen Armstrong
More specifically to JWs, you should be asking not only "what proves it false?", but more importantly, "what proves it true?" An unbiased evaluation of their claims against all available evidence demonstrates clearly that their claims simply don't hold water. This certainly is why they are so utterly terrified of people doing independent research or pursuing higher education.
If I had to choose just one glaring weakness, I would choose their claim that they are a spirit-directed organization. If they were, what would the evidence of that have to include? Among many things, it would have to include at least these two things:
People would not be appointed to or kept in positions of responsibility while presently engaged in gross misconduct, as they define it.
If their understandings of various things were corrected by god, they should never have to be corrected more than once.
Of course, even those two points become moot once you realize that the claims of all religions collapse under scrutiny.
Regarding family, my standing advice has been the same for almost 20 years:
Fade. Don't DA or get DF'd.
Get yourself out from under the control of other people. Most importantly, this means getting out of your parents' house.
Never explain yourself. Answer all inquiries with, "That's something personal that I don't feel comfortable discussing." And never discuss it.
Even the most graceful fade means that your relationships with friends and family will change. Realistically, it usually means that your relationships with any non-family true believers will effectively be over. Family relationships become more distant, but they can often be preserved if you never explain why you became inactive.
Hardcore street preachers antagonize Muslims at Arizona State University [R]4 years, 7 months agoSSJ4MajinGogetenks posted submission on PublicFreakout.
May 2, 2015
May 2, 2015
Twenty-four Million Wikipedia Users Can’t Be Wrong: Important Allies Join the Fight Against NSA Internet Backbone Surveillance [R]4 years, 8 months agoza3keaxi posted submission on technology.
March 20, 2015
March 21, 2015
That's a mildly-defensible logical position, but once you realize that you are smart enough to say "there's no such thing as a flying spaghetti monster" and that no one has to prove 100% that it doesn't exist for you to use your brain and make the "bold statement" that a magical flying invisible being made of spaghetti doesn't exist .... you will realize why you are an atheist and not an agnostic. Just give it a few years of listening to ridiculous explanations for why there might be a God. "Who can really know?!" Umm, you can. I bet that you find it more than "not very plausible". You know it's bullshit. So instead of dancing around with philosophical possibilities and definitions of the word "know", just be honest with yourself. For all intents and purposes, to the extent that anything is a fact (e.g. how can you prove anything at all?!?!), it's a fact: there is no God and all spiritual aspects of all religions are lies. Just because there are some good life tips mixed in does not make the spirituality of any religion any more sane.
As for religion being evil, I would start by suggesting that you read a book by Christopher Hitchens, such as God is Not Great: Why Religion Poisons Everything. You may come to agree that saying God doesn't exist is more than my right; it's important for humanity and no more arrogant than saying that China is a real place on the other side of the planet.
Does believing that you're going to hell imply that you still believe there might be a heaven? [R]4 years, 8 months agoHaiKarate posted submission on exchristian.
March 18, 2015
This has been my dilemma since adopting the Apatheist flag. I can't seem to shake the idea of hell. My self-esteem and depression won't really allow me to believe that someone like me is even destined for nothingness, it's all burn baby burn inside my head.
I am so fucked up, anyone have any soothing words of advice?
March 18, 2015
I definitely recommend that you start reading /r/exmormon/ if you aren't already. And here is the recommended reading list for that sub.
I also recommend the following:
- God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens; especially the Audible version, which is read by the author and he has a great reading voice.
- Jesus, Interrupted by Bart Ehrman; really anything by Dr. Ehrman is great, but this one is a good place to start. He also has an interesting back story that he shares in just about every book.
- The Bible Unearthed by Israel Finkelstein. Finkelstein is one of the top archaeologists living in Israel today, and what he has to say casts a lot of doubt on some of the most important Bible stories. (There's a 90 minute video here, if you would prefer)
- A History of God by Karen Armstrong. Where did the idea of the Jewish deity come from, and how did it develop? (There's a 15 minute summary video here if you prefer)
Should be plenty to get you started. :)
Plot Summary [R]4 years, 8 months agogoodbtc posted submission on BitTippers.
March 15, 2015
We had to do this back in a high school English class, and I thought it would be fun here!
Write a one-sentence summary of a book. Try to make it grammatically correct. You can't just go "and blahblah and blahblah and..." You get the idea.
First 5 get 100 bits each. Go!
March 15, 2015
The book "Heaven is for Real" was distributed to every student in my classroom today. Is it just me, or is that completely inappropriate? [R]4 years, 9 months agomarcotb12 posted submission on atheism.
March 4, 2015
A bit more explanation:
I'm an American high school student. I'm in a speech class, and we did speeches on "modern wonders/mysteries" (conspiracy theories, ghosts, etc., or if you interpreted that like I did, the origin of life on Earth). A girl did a speech on this book/this "mystery", and then gave each of the ~35 students in the room a free copy of the book. Now, I don't know how she paid for all of those. Perhaps she somehow paid for it all herself, but I would suspect that she may have gotten her church to fund it or something like that. I'm just wondering whether I took it the wrong way, or if it was a blatant endorsement of Christianity (keeping in mind that it was a student who gave out the books, not a faculty member, but the teacher seemed to support it).
EDIT: Wow, 213 replies. Alright then. So, just to clarify, I was A) wondering if this is even allowed at a public school (it is, since it was just a student and not the school endorsing it, and I'd have to be insane to want students to have no free speech and free thought), and B) just thinking it was kind of a scummy thing to do, as the whole speech was pretty much an advertisement for Christianity that ended with passing out some propaganda. I
probably overreacted (though this reddit post was my only reaction), as some people pointed out. In the words of /u/CMMiller89, "Don't look for ways to be offended when a peer decides to share literature with you, or even ideas or thoughts with you. Even if those thoughts, ideas, or literature scares you or challenge the ideas you've come to have about the world. Because if that's all it takes to freak you out or be offended, then you're no better than Bible thumpers who get pissy over movies or books."
Oh, and paid*
March 5, 2015
I say he should pass out this book instead!
Come /r/atheism, let's get him the money.
I need some help from you guys. [R]4 years, 10 months agorussell_mania posted submission on atheism.
Jan. 21, 2015
In school, I was tasked to choose a topic for which I had to make a presentation for in English, as "social commentary". I decided to do religion, and the harm that its discrimination & negligence causes to other people.
So, to help strengthen my presentation, do you guys have any statistics, examples, etc, of things I can use, or tips on how to deliver a strong and confident speech?
Ex: I have Leelah Alcorn's suicide, and Raif's lashings for insulting Islam as possible ideas to use.
I'm visiting my mother, and this stack of books is on the kitchen table. My head may explode at some point. [R]4 years, 10 months agoJan. 20, 2015
Anti Pegida Demo Berlin 12.1.2015 [R]4 years, 10 months agoRigadonwilde posted submission on germany.
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I can't defend something I know nothing about. I am happy to defend free speech though and it always better to debate ideas rather than try to have them removed from common discourse. This is a principle I will defend.
No I compared two sets of protesters and your willingness to defend one group and condemn the other simply because popular opinion is so heavily behind you.
You said yourself that you think Sharia is an idea of idiots- but them in the same thread condemn those who speak out against it as Nazis. I think you might be a victim of social engineering.
You should try- "God is not great how religion poisons everything"
Theists what would make you an atheist? [R]4 years, 11 months agojlew24asu posted submission on DebateReligion.
Jan. 7, 2015
or at worst, what would make you even consider it?
Jan. 7, 2015
> I've had spiritual experiences I believe are from God, so in a way, yes.
but you've never met him. the answer is no
> I've never met President Obama. Should I believe he doesn't exist? That's your best evidence?
neither have I but others have and we can prove his existence. are you trolling?
> I'll agree with the ones other than Christianity that I've researched.
ah, so you are an atheists towards other gods.
> Can you provide what convinces you of this in regards to Christianity?
this is going to require some research and time which sadly I dont think you'll do. but here are a few. I could go on and on and on if you'd like.
Tim Cook: "I'm Proud To Be Gay." [R]5 years, 1 month agomacosxsealion posted submission on apple.
Oct. 30, 2014
Adam's Atheism [R]5 years, 3 months agothenewyorker1 posted submission on AdamCarolla.
Aug. 14, 2014
I think Adam is a different breed of Atheist. Most intellectual Atheists are against any organized religion, and Adam, in today's show, talked for 5 minutes of how great the Jews are and how society needs to "take a page from the Jewish playbook". Right after Dr. Gad then proceeds to bash religion. When Adam does bash religion, it seems he only likes to bash Islam because, understandably, the fanatics within Islam are willing to suicide bomb or wipe out all the "non-believers", whereas your extremist Christian is knocking on your door at 9 AM on a Saturday morning wanting to share a message about Christ with you. Thoughts? Comments?
Aug. 14, 2014
back in the loveline days, and pre 9-11, he was pretty vocal about the Christian right, especially as it pertained to the morning after pill / abortion debate. he once said something on this podcast about the different types of atheists there are, to summarize 'An atheist like me doesn't believe in anything, an atheist like Penn Gilette HATES GOD.' which i find funny, but also accurate. there are types out there that rage against theism, what Christopher Hitchens called anti-theists in his book God is Not Great.
aceman is just a guy who was raised with no religion and reason to buy into one or create one, he's just a man looking out for what's pragmatic.
Can you give me some ideas for a gift to give a very spiritual Christian woman? [R]5 years, 4 months agoaDaneInSpain posted submission on Christianity.
July 24, 2014
I am interning at a local office and I would like to gift my boss something but I just cannot quite think of the right thing. I would like to give her something in the 40-60 dollar range that I can pick up at a Walmart or some store like that. Any ideas?
edit: if it helps, shes 60.
July 25, 2014
Could anyone suggest some good books written by former christians who became atheistic, and their reasoning for doing so? [R]5 years, 4 months agoFloydFan6 posted submission on TrueAtheism.
July 16, 2014
The title kind of says it all. My beliefs have been shifting and altering for the last year or so. I've been eyeballing The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins for about a month now, I'll probably give it a shot eventually, but the reason I haven't given it a chance yet is because I don't believe he really understands christianity based on the reviews I've read. Based on the reviews, I feel like he's criticizing something he doesn't actually understand, and therefore also cannot relate to. That's why I'm hoping to find a good book about atheism written by a former christian, someone who would have a better and more in depth understanding of christianity to begin with, and their reasoning for becoming an atheist. I feel like I could also relate more to an author who has been where I have been.
Hopefully I didn't offend anyone who is a fan of Dawkins work, I do respect him and will give his work a read later down the road, but hopefully you can see my point of view. If anyone would like to have a discussion about anything I've said, that would be awesome! Anyway, can anyone suggest a book written by a former christian on the subject of why they switched to atheism?
Edit: thank you all for the suggestions! I've added most of the books suggested to my amazon cart and will be buying them shortly, I would still appreciate more titles if you have them! I'll also be checking out some of the non-book stuff you all suggested, thanks again!
TIFU by calling an old woman a cunt. [R]5 years, 6 months agotifutw posted submission on tifu.
May 28, 2014
I live in a large city in a lower / middle class neighborhood made up of primarily hispanic people. Some of my neighbors work blue collar jobs, some pick the trash as their primary source of income... and others are new. The area is going through gentrification for better or worse.
Several days ago I was throwing a tennis ball around with my kid on the sidewalk. As we're tossing this ball around (a good distance from cars, and the ball wasn't being thrown with much force... in other words, we were being safe) an old lady strolls by, walking her dog, sucking on a cigarette. She kept staring at my kid and shaking her head in disgust so I kept my eye on her. I watched her cross the street and continue to stare at my kid until she got to the end of the block and cross the street again.
A few seconds later the ball rolls under a BMW – the nicest car on the block and one I haven't seen until that day (I am essentially a shut in and am familiar with all the cars on my street as I work next to my window).
My kid runs to the back of the car and starts reaching for the ball when the old lady with her dog shows up out of nowhere and yells "don't go near my car!". My kid got scared and ran off to hide. I don't take kindly to anyone who yells at my kid so I made the woman repeat what she had just said but to me this time. I then asked her "can I get my ball from under your car?" to which she said "no, I'll go get the keys and move the car so you can get the ball". "Seriously? I can't reach under your precious car to get my ball?" "Where is it?" she asked with a sigh – so I reached under the car and grabbed it. It was around two feet under the car.
She said something though I can't recall what and I walked away and waved her off with a hand motion.
Then she said in an extremely condescending manner "Why don't you take your kid to the park?" and that was the last straw. I turned around, marched up to her and said as nicely as I could – "I have a better idea, how about you go fuck yourself you stupid bitch cunt?"
I saw her again about 30 minutes later. She informed me that she had "called the police, but since I hadn't threatened her life, that I had better just apologize" so I laughed really loudly and told her I wasn't sorry.
Later on she showed up again when I was inside, this time with her son and some girl. He was screaming for me to come outside so he could beat me up and was stopping random people on the street to see if they had called his mother a cunt. They had not.
I fucked up by using misogynistic speech, but I don't regret the sentiment, and in my defense I would have probably called a man something similar, like "cockless twat" or "pedophile".
Edit: Oh yeah I forgot, I also called her a pedophile.
Religion Holding Us Back as a Species [R]5 years, 6 months agoMay 16, 2014
May 16, 2014
Some random dude already made that research for you:
How a person could eat these little guys is beyond me.... [R]5 years, 8 months agomrstickman posted submission on vegetarian.
March 26, 2014
Christopher Hitchens voted for George W. Bush in 2004, wtf? [R]5 years, 10 months agopenguinland posted submission on atheism.
Jan. 16, 2014
Just learned of this on a YouTube video of him on Larry king live discussing the republican party 2008.
edit: He supported Bush, he did not vote for him, my mistake on that
Jan. 16, 2014
He was one of the founders of New Atheism, whose bestselling book God Is Not Great helped a whole lot of people become atheists. He was a prolific journalist and a fierce debater, very eloquent and learned and persuasive. He died of cancer two years ago.
I'm writing a book and I need your help (explanation included) [R]5 years, 11 months agocyborgworm posted submission on atheism.
Dec. 29, 2013
I recently "came out" as agnostic to a few family members, including my wife. It has not been easy. I'm still struggling with assigning language to what it is I believe, but I suppose I'm also technically an atheist since I don't believe in the existence of a god. I've been doubting for many years now (I grew up as a Christian) but I recently finally gave myself permission to start doubting and questioning what I've believed for most of my life. I started pulling threads and everything unraveled very quickly. So now I'm left with a pile of threads and I'm trying to sort it all out. I discovered the resources on r/atheism and just dove in. I listened to debate after debate, started reading Dawkins, attended a recent debate in Chicago that had Dan Barker on the panel, and now have a pile of books that I'm planning on reading. But I'm also keeping lines of communication open with some Christians in my life as I ask lots of questions. I guess I'm at a point in my life (turning 30 in 5 weeks) where I'm discovering something that feels MORE true to me, but I'm also interested in why other people believe what they believe.
So here is what I'm doing: I'm in the beginning stages of writing a book. My plan is to interview and have conversations with different religious leaders and scholars. I want to include the three main Abrahamic religions as well as atheists and humanists. I'm not going to pretend I'm a scholar, so I will not write the book with a scholarly approach. This will be a personal project, but I also want it to help other people figure out what they believe. Not all religious sects encourage dissent, doubt, or questioning, so I want to help with the questioning process. I don't want this to be about slamming what other religions believe. I want to try and elevate the conversation and have honest conversation and dialogue. Whether this turns into a book or not, I at least want to become a more educated person and fully embrace what I believe. However, I want to go into these conversations as an intelligent atheist and have solid questions and arguments. I want to have a better understanding of church history (and history of religion in general) and religious doctrine as it relates to the different religions. I want to try and challenge everyone I talk to. My dad is a biblical scholar, so I have some connections to various religious leaders that I can talk to. And he has been helpful in this process, encouraging me in my project. So I have some good Christian resources already. But I also want your help. Who should I be reading? Here are some of the topics I was looking to cover so this might help with your recommendations: origin story, main deity/religious figure, after life, purpose in this life, role/treatment of women, homosexuality, evolution, role of politics in religion, abortion, war, poverty, violence, death penalty, Jesus as a historical figure, virgin birth, inconsistencies in religious texts, modern interpretation/selective application of laws. Also, do we need religion? Can we find hope without religion?
Some authors I'm currently reading/looking at/considering: Michael Ruse, Bertrand Russell, James Frazer, Bart Ehrman, Pascal Boyer. Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!
Dec. 29, 2013
You should check out Christopher Hitchens. I really enjoyed his book God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything. Sam Harris is also a great author for the atheist perspective, some of his best works include: The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason and Letter to a Christian Nation.
For the Christian side, a very well respected author would be William Lane Craig. He's a great debater, some would say he's beaten Hitchens in their debate and that Richard Dawkins doesn't want to debate him because he's scared. I personally haven't read any of his works yet, but you can find some here
Also you may want to check out the recommended reading for /r/atheism
What were the influences on you, that lead to your apostasy? [R]5 years, 12 months agoBroadchurch posted submission on exmuslim.
Dec. 4, 2013
If you were to point to one or two books, individuals or even organisations, who would you say helped you in your path out of Islam.
Dec. 4, 2013
TIL renowned father of nuclear physics, Sir Ernest Rutherford needlessly died of a hernia as he was a Lord and no untitled doctors were allowed to touch him. [R]6 years ago[deleted] posted submission on todayilearned.
Nov. 4, 2013
Wife's religious friend wants a good starter book about non-belief. I have read them but having trouble recommending one. Suggestions? [R]6 years, 2 months agodjangosp2 posted submission on atheism.
Sept. 30, 2013
Sept. 30, 2013
God is Not Great: Christopher Hitchens http://www.amazon.com/God-Is-Not-Great-Everything/dp/0446697966
Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Steve Wells http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm
Wife's religious friend wants a good starter book about non-belief. I have read them but having trouble recommending one. Suggestions? [R]6 years, 2 months agoArtemisShanks posted submission on atheism.
Sept. 30, 2013
Sept. 30, 2013
To outline the evils of religion throughout history:
Just wanted to tell somebody, anybody, this: my boring (but hopefully interesting!) story about losing faith. [R]6 years, 5 months agodmcable posted submission on atheism.
June 19, 2013
So, sorry if this isn't the time or place to say this, but I just had to tell somebody, somewhere who would understand. This is my story. It's not overly dramatic (like some I've seen here), but I wanted to tell it anyway:
I was raised Catholic. I went to Catholic schools until I graduated high school. It was fairly standard: mass once a week or so, religion class telling us how sinful pre-martial sex and birth control are, stupid prayers directed at an invisible man in the clouds and his zombie, demigod progeny. I just played along, figuring it wasn't worth the effort to fight against the system. After all, it wasn't so bad. The stuff we were forced to believe was ridiculous, sure, and the masses were boring, pointless, and accomplished nothing, but I didn't feel like any damage was being done. What's the harm in letting a bunch of innocent people believe something that makes them happy, right? And besides that, I felt like, while I was ahead of the curve and saw through the bullshit before most people, everyone else would catch up. My classmates and friends couldn't possibly be that stupid forever, could they?
They could. Or at least, they acted like they could. I tried to talk to them about it, occasionally. "Hey, you don't really believe all this 'rising from the dead' shit, right?" I was usually met with casual indifference, along with a faint glimmer of hope. "Heh, yeah. Probably not. But...maybe, you know?" All the while, I could see the doubt in their eyes. They knew it was all lies, but they just didn't want to accept it. The promise of a magic kingdom in the sky, with prince Jesus and all your dead pets and relatives waiting for you when you died was too much to let go of. But deep down...they knew.
Anyway, I still saw no harm in it. But, I had only ever gotten one perspective: the Catholic one. I didn't see any harm, because I was surrounded by people who weren't affected negatively by it.
Then, a few weeks ago, my cousin got pregnant at 19.
Her Catholic parents, and mine, were furious. It was the end of the world. She had dared to explore. She had dared to give in to her very human urges. She had dared to sin. Their daughter, their niece, a member of our family, was hellbound. She was cast out, and disowned. She's living with her boyfriend now. In sin.
That was the last straw for me. She's not a horrible person. She's still family. Still good. Still honest. Still hardworking. And she will love her child with all her heart. Why should she be cast out like she is?
My whole life, I have questioned my faith, been upset at my Church. They are against abortion, even in life-threatening situations. They oppose potentially life saving stem cell research. They actively prevent scientific progress. They always have. And now, I'm completely fed up. I have always known all of it to be a lie, but I have always been willing to let it slide, to let the believers believe. As I've matured, though, I realize how much more harm it's doing than good. With a firsthand account of how it's torn a family a part, I've realized that religion offers nothing good to the world, and can only drive people apart.
Sorry for the rambling wall of text. I just had to vent/voice my views. Thanks for reading!
June 19, 2013
You chose the red pill, friend. Welcome. Now you get to see how deep the rabbit hole really goes.
Sounds like you need to read some Hitchens. I strongly recommend god is not great. He shared some of the same views you clearly have on religion - that it is inherently pernicious and disparaging.
New to atheism: Where should I start? [R]6 years, 5 months agolimbodog posted submission on atheism.
June 17, 2013
I'd like to dive into some of the readings suggested on the wiki, but I have no idea where to start. Can someone recommend my order of reading?
Background: I turned away from an intensely Catholic upbringing about 7 months ago and realized I haven't supported myself by reading classic atheist books. I'd like to have a book to start strengthening my justifications so that I can hold strong against my family.
Thanks in advance!